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Post by Kinygos on Jan 12, 2014 18:27:57 GMT
Simon, it was a barbeque in 2008 when we went on the Kyristanis but I would say it was a picnic in the good old days of Direct Greece when we went with Jane and Sheila, there was an occasion when we went incognito with Bob and Laskarina, those photos are probably in the loft somewhere to be discovered at a later date !! Carol, I assume you are talking the "New Kyristanis" as in sleek motor launch type thing? The old Kyristanis was used in the early Laskarina days. Vicki and I used to peel dozens of hard boiled eggs on the way over!! She was used by Ilias and his brothers on the KS ferry route after their old fishing ferry and before but also in tandem with the original Halki. She would have rolled on wet grass. Following a side swipe by a large ferry, she subsequently went to the bottom of the harbour some years ago. . It was always a picnic as opposed to BBQ. Check the captions in Graeme's original posting and you will see "Day trip on the Kyristanis" followed by a picture of a "sleek motor launch thing". Trust me (I have been on her) that description does not do her justice! Tell me, which ferry was it I came over on in 1992 with Laskarina? The key fact here was the rusty acro in the centre of the aft part of the lower deck holding up the upper deck. It filled me with confidence! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 19:29:40 GMT
That was the old Kyristanis skippered by Pasiakos (Salute). Nephew Kyristanis would certainly have been the crew. Regular visits by both down to the engine room were necessary to ensure that all bits of string, bulldog clips and bent rusty nails were remaining in place. Fantastic old boat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 19:31:47 GMT
That acro held the entire after part of the boat together. Sometimes the most basic solutions are the best!
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Post by Kinygos on Jan 12, 2014 23:50:27 GMT
Only you could combine “bits of string, bulldog clips and bent rusty nails”; “That acro held the entire after part of the boat together.”; “She would have rolled on wet grass.” with “Fantastic old boat.”; to describe the same boat!
Thankfully I had a calm crossing on her both ways. Still scared the **** out of me!
Re: Passiakos; lovely old chap; sadly missed. He watched Chalkibert get a rope in my prop twice at KS (not on the same day). The second time he laughed so much I thought he was going to have a seizure!
Nice tribute to rename the Kyristanis Cruises to Passiakos Cruises.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 10:08:39 GMT
Quote:- "Only you could combine “bits of string, bulldog clips and bent rusty nails”; “That acro held the entire after part of the boat together.”; “She would have rolled on wet grass.” with “Fantastic old boat.”; to describe the same boat!"
Well, I've been on worse! The current ones are sadly lacking in character as indeed are -increasingly - those that operate them!
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Post by daisy on Jan 13, 2014 15:11:12 GMT
Oh happy days. We have only been on the one trip and had a wonderful day.
Loved the fact that you even manage to have a cup of retsina while in the sea Carol lol
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Post by carol on Jan 13, 2014 15:50:34 GMT
Ha Ha and I didn't spill a drop !!!
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Post by Di on Jan 16, 2014 19:39:30 GMT
We've never seen the Kyristanis move  Every time we've been to Halki she's been in exactly the same spot Alimnia does look lovely, it would be nice to have the option of a day trip out there. |
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Post by Kinygos on Jan 16, 2014 20:45:19 GMT
There is always a problem with commercial trips; number of passengers, sea state, correlation of the two...
As I stated earlier there may also be political, or other problems.
I do go there.
I do stuff for free.
You can always ask, providing you allow that I can always say no!
Fishing trips can go anywhere.
Sometimes we go round the island. Sometimes we cannot.
Always we drink beer have to re-hydrate after fishing.
Generally we feast.
If you cannot get a commercial trip...
For the flexible there are always possibilities!
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Post by stevec on Jan 17, 2014 9:09:07 GMT
Ditto. Got a photo of her still on her winter moorings (ie 30yds off shore on the hotel side of the harbour) in early July couple of years back. First year she appeared was 2007 and the word we heard when we were on the island in late June/early July was that they hadn't yet got the operators license, so no paying passengers allowed. Seems to have a very short season.
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Post by carol on Jan 17, 2014 9:55:46 GMT
As you can see from the photos we went on it in 2008 but that was the only time and like you say it never seems to move from its mooring these days. I remember the trip across being calm but the wind got up in the afternoon and it was an " interesting " trip home with the water coming up over the bow !!
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Post by Kinygos on Jan 17, 2014 10:39:54 GMT
As you can see from the photos we went on it in 2008 but that was the only time and like you say it never seems to move from its mooring these days. I remember the trip across being calm but the wind got up in the afternoon and it was an " interesting " trip home with the water coming up over the bow !! I have mentioned this vessel elsewhere. I have been on it as a ferry when Fedon left me behind (another story!). General opinion from my fellow passengers from KS to Halki was not favourable. The sea was not rough maybe 3 - 4 but she does not take it well. The seats are not fixed; at least mine wasn't. The shape is a little similar to Kinygos (Hardy) and the enclosed wheelhouse causes a vortex that draws exhaust gas into the cockpit; this is also true of the larger ferries, but on those you sit inside or on the upper deck. It was only an intermittent problem on Kinygos due to her slow speed. With Kyristanis/Passiakos it seemed to be a constant problem, and we were all sat outside. All this does not encourage people to make a second trip on this vessel. It is a fact of life that the wind always gets stronger in the afternoon. We used to go to KS and return with both Kinygos and Kinygos II and this was an invariable fact. It is not a local effect as it involves KS to Alimnia and Alimnia to Halki. Having said that it was rarely a problem. I remember a couple of times slugging it out with Kinygos at her maximum of 7Knots, otherwise no problem. Please do not assume the sea state to be benign whilst sipping your retsina on a sunbed, you cannot see everything from that vantage point! On the trip shown in my initial photographs "not on the plane" the return trip was very wet for the ladies on the bow seat, but they were enjoying getting soaked. It keeps you cool! Admittedly not everyone likes that, but we had all been swimming and were not bothered by a bit of sea water. You can see that "on the plane" Kinygos II rides over the spray, provided the sea allows. This cannot be done with a full load of people, or when going into a stiff breeze. All of the above maybe explain why Kyristanis/Passiakos does not go out much. The Aegean is not an easy sea. |
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Post by stevec on Jan 17, 2014 13:14:46 GMT
Boat may have it's design faults but can't help feeling it's being undersold (or not sold even). There are a steady stream of returning visitors every Wednesday (and a few newbies), many with memories of the picnics on Alimnia, who could be tapped into. Anyone here who had an asset like that would be looking to recoup the standing costs (insurance/licensing/mooring) at the very minimum, if not an operating surplus.
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Post by Kinygos on Jan 17, 2014 14:19:07 GMT
Boat may have it's design faults but can't help feeling it's being undersold (or not sold even). There are a steady stream of returning visitors every Wednesday (and a few newbies), many with memories of the picnics on Alimnia, who could be tapped into. Anyone here who had an asset like that would be looking to recoup the standing costs (insurance/licensing/mooring) at the very minimum, if not an operating surplus. You mean you haven't seen the desk set up near the Passiakos with the cheerful, chatty representative schmoozing the visitors. Telling them about trips, the history of Alimnia, in English, and generally encouraging custom? Actually neither have I! You seem to have a basic lack of understanding how business is done in Halki! It could be that there is more money to be made with day trips to Halki, rather than relying on the vagaries of the weather, and putting in the effort involved in picnics on Alimnia using Passiakos cruises. |
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Post by stevec on Jan 17, 2014 16:26:10 GMT
Day trippers transport work seems to have been shared a bit more this year gone than in previous years when the Halki had the dominant, if not monopoly, position. Fedon's picked up a lot in the last couple of years at the expense of the Halki (quicker, more stable?) but I did notice the Express make a couple of runs in our time there this year. The only money consistently being made is on the transport as in a lot of cases the day trippers come complete with their own packed lunch, so don't spend much whilst they are here. That was the muttering we picked up on in our time - might have got better later in the season.
May be I don't understand fully business on Halki because appears to be a bit schizophrenic - clearly there's a group who are prepared to try things, take risks and work hard to make them succeed and others, who, well, are at best indifferent. It's all very Greek in a stereo typical way but whilst we all appreciate the not in your face/no hard sell approach, I still find it odd anyone would leave an asset costing perhaps a hundred thousand euros (maybe more) to simply rot. Getting the Kyristanis/Passiakos off the dock side and contributing to it's keep doesn't have to include the picnic as well - but it would be a selling point.
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Every time we've been to Halki she's been in exactly the same spot 