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Post by Gilly on Apr 10, 2014 22:07:10 GMT
Thanks Kinygos...Have spent the last 45mins watching Mythbusters! Will be travelling with and munching on: stem ginger (no syrup), ginger nuts, crystallised ginger and maybe I'll splash out and buy some chocolate covered ginger. Won't be needing the sea-legs! Have learnt about the aerodynamics of a pickup truck and not to stick my finger up a gun barrel when being shot at!
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Post by Liz on Apr 11, 2014 6:49:46 GMT
I think ginger biscuits are good for morning sickness aren't they ?
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Post by jamesthebutler on Apr 11, 2014 7:33:06 GMT
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Post by Kinygos on Apr 11, 2014 9:55:32 GMT
I have been doing a bit of research on the ginger preventing motion sickness thing. The Mythbusters film is hardly a proper clinical trial First the nature of the complaint; why does motion cause nausea? There are not five senses whatever “they” say! We have a sense of balance arising from the vestibular system. Liz mentioned this. Its location is the inner ear. We also have proprioception, a totally internal sensory system also related to gravity so that without touching anything we know where out body parts are; arms up or down, bent or straight etc. One of the traditional five, sight is also involved. Motion on a boat creates conflicts in these systems. So if we feel “I’m going to be ill”, creep into the depths of a boat losing sight of anything outside and all that’s left is balance and proprioception we will be ill. Not advised! We get lines tangles sometimes on KinygosII. I bundle them away and get some more out. If I start looking at untangling and not the wider view I am lost! The nausea is thought to come from the fact that the body thinks it is being poisoned, we may compare this with over indulgence in alcohol*. The body empties the stomach to rid itself of the toxin. So we have three ways of correcting this. 1) Calm the brain down, firstly by looking out and far, rather than down and close. THEN… 2) Backing this up with the zonk pills, or… 3) Calming the gut and this is where ginger is thought to act. Have there been clinical trials? Without clinical trials we move into the realms of the placebo effect**. Homeopathy, acupuncture and its analogues, and hypnotherapy fall into this category. Don’t get me wrong, the placebo effect is not understood and can be very powerful. You can find collected clinical trials here. Ginger is not alternative/complementary medicine, it is a herbal medicine. It is also a foodstuff. You would be unwise to take some herbal medicine, but ginger is fairly safe***. Possibly very safe, and pleasant to take! Do I use it? I don’t go out in my boat in seas lumpy enough to trigger me. I also avoid undoing tangles unless it is very calm and the tangle is very easy! The last time I got caught out was when Marlin fishing in Vanuatu when it suddenly got rough while we were out and the crew insisted on trolling with the sea on the beam. *Nobody on this forum knows anything about this subject! ** Tested on Mythbusters. ***Regarding pregnancy and morning sickness note the mild caveat in the reference. |
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Post by jamesthebutler on Apr 11, 2014 10:05:16 GMT
Thank goodness alcohol has been mentioned.
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Post by Liz on Apr 11, 2014 12:15:31 GMT
I know !! .. Thought we were loosing our edge !!! .... ginger biscuits !!!! .... A few drinks at Ks and a few more on the way over ... Sorted !  |
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Post by stevec on Apr 12, 2014 8:22:45 GMT
Ginger tablets, available at Boots and other good chemists, are a well recognised and used pre-treatment for motion sickness. If you ever go out onto the Great Barrier Reef, you'll see great bowl fulls available. Apparently orientals have a minor variation in the construction of the their ears compared to us Caucasians which makes them very prone to motion sickness, so for them ginger tablets are pretty well essential.
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Post by Gilly on Apr 12, 2014 10:22:49 GMT
Ginger tablets, available at Boots and other good chemists, are a well recognised and used pre-treatment for motion sickness. If you ever go out onto the Great Barrier Reef, you'll see great bowl fulls available. Apparently orientals have a minor variation in the construction of the their ears compared to us Caucasians which makes them very prone to motion sickness, so for them ginger tablets are pretty well essential. Thanks stevec I'll be off to Boots next week. They'll be a lot easier to carry than stem ginger, ginger nuts, crystalissed ginger and a root of ginger! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 18:41:08 GMT
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Post by Liz on Apr 12, 2014 20:19:39 GMT
Sth !!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 20:34:28 GMT
Yes Liz? Good for hiccups too
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Post by Liz on Apr 12, 2014 20:58:35 GMT
Haa ! Your all mad !
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Post by Kinygos on Apr 13, 2014 8:12:36 GMT
No just sth! Warm salt water is an emetic*, ginger is an anti emetic**. sth is not a medical expert, "he's a very naughty boy!"*** I still go with the idea of chewing and swallowing stem ginger, nice and sweet! "The difference between Kinygos and a crazy man is that Kinygos is not crazy!"****. *see Wikipedia **see the article I referenced above in the British Journal of Anaesthesia 84 (3): 367-71 (2000) ***that's a bit of a famous quotation! **** what name should be substituted for "Kinygos" to make another famous quotation? Conversely the same person is also reputed to have said, "There is only one difference between a madman and me: The madman thinks he is sane, I know I am mad!" |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 18:38:23 GMT
Well I don't mind being called mad and naughty. I've been called worse. An Icelandic seafarer told me - if you are seasick, don't lie down. Stay in the open air. Keep eating as much as you can. If you continue to be sick, drink that glass of sea water and you will then be so utterly sick that you'll never be troubled by a bout of seasickness again. Many years ago when I was suffering from seasickness, I was told to get off my young, lazy **** and get to work out on deck. The problem soon passed. Ho hum1.  ? |
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Post by soupdragon on Apr 24, 2014 7:19:52 GMT
So if the wind is coming from around 290 degrees at a speed of 25 knots with gusts of us to 40, might the crossing be "interesting "?
On a related note, Rose will be getting some ginger tablets for the trip. What's the usual dose?
Cheers Tom and Rose
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